DR. NICHOLAS GONZALEZ ON NUTRITIONAL CANCER THERAPY
MONEYCHANGER: How big a part does carrot juice play?. I know my sister spends a lot of time washing carrots & juicing them. One glass of carrot juice makes a full meal for me
DR. GONZALEZ: It' s really a nutritional powerhouse. In addition to beta-carotene it's got B vitamins, vitamin C, carbohydrates, & a lot of calories, so for sick cancer patients who've lost a lot of weight, it's a godsend. Juice offers high quality nutrition that's very quickly & easily absorbed without the input of a lot of energy:
MONEYCHANGER: I know the Kelley Therapy takes a good bit of time every day. How much does it cost?
DR. GONZALEZ: The first year runs from $5,500 to $7,000, & then it gets progressively cheaper.
MONEYCHANGER: Is that just the cost of the supplements?
DR. GONZALEZ: No, that includes everything: supplements, my fee, & buying a juicer. The second year might be $1,000 - $1,500 cheaper.
MONEYCHANGER: What rate of cure have you seen with this therapy?
DR. GONZALEZ: Right now we are in the process of doing clinical trials to document that. We estimate that of the patients who stick with the program (which is most of them) about 70% get well. We lose about 30%, but the majority do very well.
MONEYCHANGER: What about people who come to you after radiation or chemo therapy?
DR. GONZALEZ: Many patients we see have already undergone chemo or radiation. They're always tougher to treat. Not only are you dealing with the toxins from the environment & their own inefficient metabolism, but also with the extraordinary toxic load from that previous treatment. Even antibiotics are toxic, & certainly aggressive chemo or radiation are very toxic & damaging to the body. That leaves us facing two battles: repairing the normal toxicity as well as the damage done by the previous therapy. Those patients have more work to do, but they can get well.
Of course, there is a point of no return. I've had patents who've had 10 different chemo drugs & radiation. That's above & beyond what the human body can tolerate, & these people are going to die. The side effects from therapy that extensive are not reversible. But generally many patients who've had the standard chemo or radiation doses can get better. It's a little tougher, & they'll feel a little sicker, but they get better.
MONEYCHANGER: What do you mean when you say 70% get well ? They don't die of cancer?
DR. GONZALEZ: Basically. They may get hit by a truck in 15 years, but they don't die of cancer. I have patients who came in with terminal cancer & have now been with me eight years, & they're doing fine.
MONEYCHANGER: When you say you have a rate of cure where 70% of them get well, i.e., don't die of cancer, that embraces all kinds of cancer?
DR. GONZALEZ: Pretty much. We see a whole variety of cancers. I hesitate because there are some types of cancer like acute leukemia that I haven't just seen many of. I can't speak to those because I just don't have a lot of experience with them.
MONEYCHANGER: What about biopsies? Do they actually spread cancer?
DR. GONZALEZ: There are studies that show that biopsies of liver tumors & prostate cancer can actually spread the illness. This is out of the orthodox literature, I'm not making this up myself. The body's attempting to wall off toxins & you just leave those tumors alone, because the body knows what it's doing. When you mess around with the capsule of those tumors, you're going to spread the toxic wastes the body is trying to control, like bursting a balloon.
MONEYCHANGER: How do you decide what sort of diet & supplements to prescribe?
DR. GONZALEZ: Our biochemical workup includes blood work & a special hair analysis (that's experimental). We interpret that biochemical information to determine the diet & supplements.
MONEYCHANGER: You are an M.D. with an orthodox medical education from Cornell University. How did you become involved with this very unorthodox therapy?
DR. GONZALEZ: I started researching Kelley's work as a second-year medical student, under the direction of the then-head of Sloan-Kettering. What started as a student project developed into a five year research study examining thousands of his records. As eccentric a man as Kelley may have been, I had no choice but to accept that he had hundreds & hundreds of patients with obviously terminal disease who were still alive 5, 10, & 15 years later. We documented all that in a monograph. It took 5 years to do the study, & the data spoke for itself.
MONEYCHANGER: How did Kelley figure this out? Wasn't he an orthodontist?
DR. GONZALEZ: Yes, and a very smart man. He became interested in nutrition as a result of his dentistry. Around 1964 he was diagnosed with what was thought to be pancreatic cancer, although it was never biopsied. He was quite sick, & treated himself & got well. Gradually he began to treat other cancer patients for whom there was no other option.
MONEYCHANGER: After you'd gotten out of Medical School & done this study, you decided to go into this type of therapy?
DR. GONZALEZ: My goal was to get clinical trials to prove its effectiveness. I was trained as an orthodox scientist, & that's what I felt was needed. But back in the mid- 80s if you mentioned nutrition & cancer in the same sentence they were ready to throw you in jail. That's changed a lot in 10 years. Back then I couldn't get anyone to support clinical trials. Now we have done that, but my goal has always been to collect & present enough data so that sooner or later the authorities in medicine would have to take this therapy seriously.
MONEYCHANGER: Kelley had pancreatic cancer. From the death of a friend a few years ago I know that's a very fast-moving cancer.
DR. GONZALEZ: It's the worst there is.
MONEYCHANGER: How long would a patient normally live with pancreatic cancer?
DR. GONZALEZ: With inoperable disease the survival is anywhere from three to four months on average.
MONEYCHANGER: Kelley survived. What about the people he treated?
DR. GONZALEZ: Some of them with diagnosed pancreatic cancer we followed more than 10 & 15 years.
MONEYCHANGER: These people had clinically diagnosed pancreatic cancer?
DR. GONZALEZ: Yes. We actually tracked down every pancreatic cancer case he treated between 1974 & 1982, & the average survival at that point was 8 years for the people who did his program. In the small series that we were able to document, the ones who followed the program had done extraordinarily well, & some are still alive.
MONEYCHANGER: It s been almost 4 years now since my sister was diagnosed with breast cancer. She had a mastectomy, but after that became much sicker & didn t begin to improve until she came under your treatment. What about radical surgical treatment for breast cancer?
DR. GONZALEZ: If it's really localized, there's no question that surgery can cure, although the toxic situation still exists. Again, we don't think tumors are the enemy but the body's response to a toxic situation. When you attack the tumor alone, you're not really getting to the root of the problem.
MONEYCHANGER: You said your therapy would cost $5,500-$7,000 for the first year. In a hospital a cancer patient would run up a $7,000 bill in three days.
DR. GONZALEZ: Oh, yes. The average cost for chemo runs anywhere from $50,000 to $100,000 for a one year course of treatment, so it's roughly one-twentieth the cost of chemo & radiation.
MONEYCHANGER: What about the clinical trials you're doing now?
DR. GONZALEZ: The National Cancer Institute suggested we do a pancreatic study & its been funded by an outside source. We re doing a controlled clinical trial under NCI oversight & direction.
MONEYCHANGER: How long will that last?
DR. GONZALEZ: Probably another year. We started toward the end of January.
MONEYCHANGER: Does anybody else in the country do this therapy besides you?
DR. GONZALEZ: There are people who say they do the Kelley Therapy or the Gonzalez Therapy, & I've never even met them. Would I send someone I love to someone like that? I don't think so.
MONEYCHANGER: Do healthy people use this therapy on a prophylactic basis?
DR. GONZALEZ: My whole staff is on it. You don't have to be dying of cancer to warrant this program. I think the whole world should be on it. If you want good health, it's a great program.
MONEYCHANGER: The individual patient comes to you, diagnosed already with cancer. You do your biochemical workup, & you prescribe a diet & supplements. What will this person's life be like after that?
DR. GONZALEZ: A cancer patient has to take pills ten times a day, they have to do enemas maybe 6 -8 times a day initially, & then other purges & liver flushes, eat organic food, drink carrot juice 3-4 times a day. It's a lot of work, but it's not impossible, just petty stuff. I do it myself, & I don't mind it. To me it's an investment in efficiency, because I work better when I do it.
MONEYCHANGER: A lot of the patients feel sicker at first, don't they?
DR. GONZALEZ: They always feel sicker. When the body repairs & rebuilds an enormous amount of toxic debris is released, & that will make you feel ill. We try to control the rate at which the body repairs. If you repair too quickly, you ll have tumor breakdown wastes & all sorts of stored toxic wastes released in the body & it'll make you so sick you can t get out of bed.
MONEYCHANGER: That's why you warn them before they start that the program will require a lot of effort?
DR. GONZALEZ: We don't encourage them to do it. We try to discourage them, because we want patients who are committed, who realize this is an investment, & don't want to be baby fed. They must be willing to do the work to get well.
MONEYCHANGER: What about other degenerative diseases?
DR. GONZALEZ: We treat everything, from multiple sclerosis to arthritis. Different diseases require different protocols.
MONEYCHANGER: Do you have the same startling results with other diseases that you have with cancer?
DR. GONZALEZ: I ve seen about half a dozen multiple sclerosis patients, maybe 10, & two of them were already in wheelchairs & didn't respond the way I wanted. The others really did extremely well. I have a couple of patients with ALS, & I'm not sure what we can do with that. The longest has been with me two years & is still alive. We're trying our hardest to figure out how to reverse that, but I don't have a lot of patients with that. We have a lot of arthritis, a lot of chronic fatigue, which has become epidemic.
MONEYCHANGER: You don t think that's viral?
DR. GONZALEZ: I think the body's too toxic so it doesn't work right & then viruses, bacteria, & candida, can start taking over.
MONEYCHANGER: Is the uproar about candida overblown?
DR. GONZALEZ: They re treating that as the problem, but the real issue is that the body is way too toxic. I don t think it s overblown. The overuse of antibiotics has really caused an overgrowth of candida in many patients, & has disrupted the normal bacterial flora.
MONEYCHANGER: So you're wary of using antibiotics?
DR. GONZALEZ: You have to be very careful with them. First of all, they don't work that well anymore because lot of the bugs are immune. In addition, there are herbal & nutritional remedies that work better & are not as toxic, such as echinacea. We also have a very powerful a thymus preparation (the thymus controls the immune system) that we use as a natural antibiotic.
MONEYCHANGER: There's a yeast-free diet popular right now that's supposed to boost the immune system. Does it really work?
DR. GONZALEZ: [laughing] You ll have to ask whoever is using it. We have patients with candida & we use things to clear it out, but it's usually not that difficult. If you get the people detoxed, if you get their colon cleansed, you restore natural bacteria, you should get them free of candida. Its not that big a deal.
MONEYCHANGER: I m amazed how many times you recur to this toxic bowel idea.
DR. GONZALEZ: It's the issue in a lot of these problems. Diseases result, we believe, because toxic waste is backing up into the body. Basically it's auto-intoxication. You have to get rid of that some way.
MONEYCHANGER: Thank you very much, Dr. Gonzalez.
Reprinted from the July, 1995 Moneychanger.
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